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Big East football should vote no

This complaint is likely all for naught - if Tom Luicci is reporting that the Big East plans to double its football exit fee and invite six new members, then that certainly is what going to happen barring any last-minute setbacks. However, that does not mean that the six remaining Big East football programs are making the right call. Even if the most likely scenario is a split and divorce from the non-football programs, any pain would be worth it if only to have a league that puts football first, and in proportional perspective to its relative financial importance. That would be true stability. Forcing two sides that hate each other to remain collegiate is most assuredly not, with every remaining party's loyalty in question, and ready to bolt at a moment's notice. Thirty years of unfair, self-serving decisions, and now "loyalty" suddenly matters to the powers that be in Providence.

It's not that committing to Big East football is necessarily a problem - that is a disappointment no doubt, but it's one we can live with for the time being. No, the troublesome aspect of the deal is that the remaining Big East football programs are still forcibly linked to eight athletic departments that do not play Big East football. Those eight athletic departments threatened throughout all of the past week to split off into their own conference, and yet  will not have to pay one penny more in increased exit fees. That is understandable in the sense that they have limited options, but is not exactly the smartest plan with Notre Dame wary about being stuck in a "Catholic League" with seven other athletic departments falling behind in the athletics arms race due to not having access to football television revenue. Especially considering the persistent rumors that eventually the super conferences will secede from the NCAA.

The six remaining schools would surely benefit from a split. All bring considerable value to the conference, which cannot be said for all of the basketball programs, who continue to interfere in Big East football's ability to thrive. Like it or not, college football obliterates college basketball when it comes to the television revenue calculus. That is why, as paradoxical as it may sound, the Big East football programs may be better off in with their presumed new lineup than with the old one - it's debatable, but not completely implausible. Basketball, on the other hand, is going to take a gigantic hit from not having Syracuse and Pittsburgh on board. This is why it remains as imperative as ever for the Big East to not jump at the first deal ESPN floats over the next few months, and wait for the contract to expire so Versus can jump into the bidding. That is the scenario Providence and its ilk fear the most (more than getting the heave-ho), as the conference's stark revenue disparity will grow even more pronounced.

Star-divide

If they disagree, there's the door. Despite all the empty threats in the world, they will not leave - they know that being second-class revenue citizens is still a better deal than in being a glorified version of the Atlantic 10. That is precisely why they Villanova is so desperate to switch to the football side if you believe their months of protest. Therein lies the upside for Rutgers, beyond the initial benefit of a split or divorce. Stability is not a goal, it is an obstacle. Rutgers remains on the outside in the current era of 14-team conferences, their ambitions checked for two years in a row by the Pac-16 expansion scenario failing to come to fruition. Rutgers will land on its feet though if the era of the super conference ever comes to pass, and the best way to make that happen is to keep the conference carousel spinning in complete disarray. That means, of course, spooking Notre Dame. In other words, can the apocalypse please come already? It is in the interests of most of the remaining six BE programs to provoke the end game here.

Most Big Ten expansion scenarios from 2010 involved the idea of the Big Ten raiding multiple teams from the Big East with the intention of forcing Notre Dame's hand. They ultimately punted, but will Notre Dame really want to stick around in an all-Catholic conference, even if it expands by adding the likes of Xavier? The idea is then that their hand will be forced by losing their loose bowl tie-ins and a voice on NCAA legislation granted by their current partial conference membership confers. This, of course, is not likely to be supported by Big East football members without realistic landing spots. However, Rutgers remains an attractive candidate, because talented underachievers always have and always will get an extra benefit of the doubt. The problem is that the stronger conferences remain extremely conservative (the Big Ten went for surefire revenue with no growth potential in Nebraska, and the ACC opted for better basketball), and do not want to be seen as destroying a conference.

For all of the acrimony and resentment floating around, Rutgers athletic director Tim Pernetti is a businessman, and any yes vote will be strictly a business decision. As untenable as staying may be, withdrawing absent a voting majority would cost the Big East football programs an extra five million, and endanger their automatic BCS bid. In a vacuum, the six survivors are better off on their own, but such infighting would be an awful risk. From an expected value perspective, it is a risk worth taking - but this option is also dangerous. Essentially, a yes vote is opting to punt on 4th and 1 from the opponent's 40-yard line. The numbers say go for it, but because there is a non-zero possibility of complete disaster, Pernetti is being excessively risk averse. If Rutgers athletics had a thousand dice rolls, the decision would be easy. They do not, and thereby a yes vote signifies being unwilling to gamble with the future of the athletic department even with odds that are in their favor.

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In the Big East we are stuck, Pernetti is a schmuck.

by Daniel Joseph on Oct 16, 2011 10:00 PM EDT reply actions  

What would Commissioner Onthe Banks do?

Say the all the media are wrong, and the six Big East football schools split today. No exit fees, clean break. Basketball schools keep the name.

Who do you bring in to get to 8 full members?

by John Bragg on Oct 17, 2011 5:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Temple, UCF, and Houston for starters to get to 9

the problem isn’t really with the football plan per se, it’s with having to stick with the non-football schools – who then are vetoing football decisions.

by On the Banks on Oct 17, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think getting boise would be top priority

even if its for football only. they’re the key maintaining BCS status. they are a HUGE improvement over syracuse, and a marked improvement over pitt.

of course that may mean they need to increase the all sports members to make the league more attractive for boise. and thats the main reason why the league is untenable. i understand the basketball schools want to have a say over who is added to the league for all sports. but to hold up adding temple, ucf, houston or smu and the hundreds of millions of dollars in tv contracts and bcs money for the ones of millions of dollars (if that!) that may be affected in basketball is bs, and its exhibit A for why the football schools need to control thier own destiny.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Oct 17, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

first some changes

The football schools shouldn’t vote to raise exit fees until;
1) Marinatto is fired

2) basketball schools relinquish their equal vote in football related matters. Without this change there is no point in staying in the Big East.

3) basketball schools vote to raise their exits fee to $20 million as a vote of solidarity,

4) the conference demands that Notre Dame go all in or all out. Become a football playing member of the Big East or you are out of the conference. It is a slap in the face to football schools that ND get second choice in the Big East football bowl tie-ins while they contribute NOTHING to football and they still get a vote on football related matters. That is absurd.

5) they get a clue and hold all future media days in the media capital of the US, NYC, rather than some little town called Providence. Hell, the PAC10 spurned LA even though they had two league members there and held their media day in NYC last year to announce the official debut of the PAC12.

by thevinman on Oct 17, 2011 11:10 AM EDT reply actions  

basketball schools don't have a vote on football matters

but they have a vote on all-sports matters, which ruined Temple’s candidacy.

by On the Banks on Oct 17, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Temple

Do you think Rutgers is for or against Temple joining? They are clearly a worthy program however this would mean tougher recruiting for Rutgers in eastern PA and southern NJ. What are you thoughts OnTheBanks?

by StyleKnight on Oct 17, 2011 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

The word is that Nova and Rutgers are blocking Temple. Nova is the most vocal about it. When Nova had to relinquish its position in terms of Temple as a football only member, Rutgers stepped in to block that as well. So it appears that it is the combination of Nova and Rutgers that will keep the Owls out of the Big East.

by redmen9194 on Oct 17, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

do you have a source for rutgers blocking temple?

we’ve seen it reported that nova was actively against adding temple but have yet to see something about rutgers. thanks.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Oct 17, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

the word is false

at least with Rutgers. Nova blocked them.

by On the Banks on Oct 17, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

The report is out of Philly. Got to find the link again from a Temple board.

by redmen9194 on Oct 17, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rutgers is for Temple joining in all sports

the problem is that Nova blocked it. The Big East needs 8 all-sports teams at minimum, but they want to get to 9 for scheduling. UCF and Houston were givens, but then SMU took Temple’s spot.

That leaves Boise, Air Force, Navy, and Temple for three spots. Temple is a better candidate than SMU, but they don’t bring as much future revenue to the table as the other three. It’s sad that Nova had to ruin this, but there’s no way around it.

by On the Banks on Oct 17, 2011 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really don’t understand why the remain fb schools dot p/u the six most popular candidate schools and form the “All American Conference”. We would still have the AQ thru 2015. SMU, Huston, BYU, BSU, CFU, Temple. Plenty of bb strength there too.

Then tell the bb schools they,ll be know $5mm penalty paid…they purposely created this situation and are not entitled to be rewarded.

Yes I took out the academies. While I have the greatest respect for them they really limit the athletic prestige of the conference.

by RUinChiTown on Oct 17, 2011 11:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

they're being added for television

mainly. I think Temple has more potential than Navy on the field.

by On the Banks on Oct 17, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Big East is our conference home. We (Catholic b-ball 5) have been here for 30 years and have no reason to move

The football-basketball disputes come in when talking about new members. Think of the new members as step-children. Football Daddy wants B-Ball Mommy to accept new all-sports step-kids, when it’s very likely that Football Daddy will “run out to buy cigarettes” and not come back, leaving B-Ball Mommy with Daddy’s no-account stepkids (USF, UCF, Houston).

Look at the way competent conferences handle things. The SEC is taking forever to accept Missouri because they don’t move until every detail is taken care of—because this is a “100-year decision.”

by John Bragg on Oct 17, 2011 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

i like the colorful analogy

but it raises nonexistent fears. that the prestigious, glamorous catholic bball schools will be “stuck” with UCF and Houston is not an issue. they’ll go back to a mid major football conference if the big east loses a BCS bid if and when the other football dads leave. they don’t want to be “stuck” with the undeniable star power of Seton Hall and DePaul any more than you want to associate with them.

(also I assume you realize USF is already an all sport member of the league?)

but yeah, i agree this is not how competent leagues are run. i think we all agree on that. competent leagues dont have non-football playing schools in them.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Oct 17, 2011 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

i better analogy

would be that syracuse, pitt, miami, vtech and bc are the dads and the other football schools are the moms and the bball only schools are the horrible weiner kids that the dads never wanted and causes them to skip town, leaving the moms stuck making endless sacrifices trying to raise the annoying kids as single moms. meanwhile the kids never realize just how much everyone resents them for breaking up the family. the football moms would drown the bball only kids if only they weren’t such compassionate giving souls.

also if some new suitor were to come calling on the remaining desperate football moms, they would abandon their ugly children to the wilderness like a modern day hansel gretel, jumping into bed with mr big 10 or acc faster than you can say social services. the moms without suitors would have to fend for themselves, probably eventually hitching up with the poorer, fatter and balder dregs that remain. but still ditching those unwanted bball only children.

ugh, no one like those bratty kids, i wish they would just go away and die already!

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Oct 17, 2011 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's more like Sleeping with the Enemy

football schools are the battered wife (with all of the talent) that can’t take any more.

by On the Banks on Oct 17, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well tonight is the chance for the battered football schools to say enough and walk out. They have the perfect opportunity. They can vote no on the increase, force the stalemate, split off to tomorrow and invite the six schools on the clock. In what universe would the Catholic schools force them to vote yes? For group that supposedly has no leverage, the Catholic side must be great bluffers to continually get the football members to do what they want.

by redmen9194 on Oct 17, 2011 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

great bluffers

or great wife beaters. whats odd to me is that you would have such a cavalier opinion about spousal abuse.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON... BUY THAT MANSION. WE DONT NEED A CONDO.

by kendynamo on Oct 17, 2011 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's insurance

they want to leave, but need a landing place for the time being.

The end is coming, and the first step is Notre Dame leaving.

by On the Banks on Oct 17, 2011 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

While $10mm is a huge figure, it pales compared to what RU could earn in five years w/a Big 10 membership.

I’m still hoping…

by RUinChiTown on Oct 18, 2011 9:46 AM EDT reply actions  

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