TCU to join the Big East in 2012
I for one welcome our new Texan overlords.
The Big East momentarily propped up its status as the sickly and endangered automatic bid conference today by adding TCU for all sports (the conference first tried to add TCU for football only, which they rejected). While the conference has not always been as bad on a yearly basis it proved to be in 2010, adding a premier football program like TCU clearly will strengthen conference football for now, and scheduling around eight conference games is far easier than seven. The Big East finally did something right for a change.
The move is not without its drawbacks and risks. Dallas is the nation's fifth largest television market, but now TCU will have to hope that its increased conference payout (I'm sure John Marinatto is trying to renegotiate with ESPN as you read this) will make up for their increased travel costs. That's less of a program for four conference road football dates, but will be an issue for basketball and non-revenue sports.
I'm interested in what Dave and Shawn have to say on the basketball end, considering that football was the primary driver here. The Big East is already too big and unwieldy, and now it's going to seventeen teams.
Adding a weak program like TCU clearly weakens the Big East for basketball, although that may not necessarily be a bad thing. Somebody has to lose the games, and hopefully TCU joins USF and DePaul as perennial punching bags going forward. At least they'll be good at baseball.
Could the Big East end up just plain too big and unwieldy though? Presumably one basketball team (barring more additions) will have to stay home from the tournament in MSG, and scheduling will be more problematic.
A source told ESPN.com's Andy Katz that in a 17-team league, each program would play every other team (16 games) and then play two repeat games (instead of three like now).
Syracuse basketball coach Jim Boeheim is already floating the possibility of future changes.
Boeheim said he would not oppose breaking the Big East into basketball divisions, a possibility that would become more realistic if the Big East were to expand to 18 teams.
That would constitute a split in all but name. In that scenario, which could come to pass if Villanova doesn't upgrade their football program to the FBS level, the most likely scenario is adding UCF (with Lenn Robbins from the NY Post saying that C-USA members ECU and Memphis have no chance at membership). Poor, poor Temple.
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TCU and Big East Basketball
It’s clear this is going to screw some things up basketball wise. I know too little about TCU to post a true column on it, but I really think this could screw them up royally, and they will be mired at the bottom for a long, long time. That said, what I think would be ideal—though I’d doubt it’ll happen—is this: Villanova agrees to move up it’s football program, and the Big East adds Memphis and UCF to get to 12. That gives you a hell of a football conference, and the conference championship game. Then, you split from the basketball only schools. You still have a great hoops conference as well. Will it happen? Doubtful, but to me it’d be ideal
What do you think of that?
nova
nova is a horrible football addition……they average about 50,000 fans……….a year
the big east would be laughed at far and wide with them playing football…..it is not a matter of if they could compete on the field, it is that they have no base to start with, and no hope of growth into a major football team
no one is laughing at the tcu addition…….they are ready at this point….a solid addition
If Wake Forest can pull off being an FBS program, why can't Nova?
Nova’s got about twice as many undergrads as Wake does, plus the advantage of playing in a major metro area. If they upgrade their stadium, which they’ll have to if they make the move, those numbers should easily go up.
Quick! To the Schianocopter
Stadium upgrades cost a lot
Tom Luicci said they’re balking at a $25 million cost to move up. I’ll lose it if the other BE teams have to subsidize Nova as a charity case.
by On the Banks on Nov 30, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
I'm a Nova hater
it’s a bad idea that’s only being floated as a way to keep the whole league together.
by On the Banks on Nov 30, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Of course
The most ideal would be forget ‘Nova and convince ND to join in football, but we all know that’ll never happen.
If the Big East does end up adding more teams
I feel like Houston should be near the top of the list. It’s another big market, they’re a solid football program, and they give TCU a travel partner.
Quick! To the Schianocopter

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