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Re-evaluating Greg Robinson and Doug Marrone

Syracuse's win over USF on Saturday was rather telling: it speaks highly of Doug Marrone that the Orange are in a position to win conference games in only his second year. Rutgers went through two miserable rebuilding years under Greg Schiano before they started to show any progress.

That got me thinking though. Even taking into account Syracuse's massive roster turnover under Marrone, is it possible that Greg Robinson did not leave the roster in complete shambles? Robinson's .213 career winning percentage bests Terry Shea's .218 as the worst in Big East history. Robinson took over for a fine (if declining) coach in Paul Pasqualoni, while Shea took a program that was mediocre under Dick Anderson and Doug Graber and drove it off a cliff.

The difference could just be that Shea had one additional season as head coach, but there the evidence is mixed about who was worse. Rutgers and Temple were at the bottom of the conference food chain during the mid-to-late nineties, with BC and Pitt not very good, West Virginia average, and the trio of Miami, VT, and Syracuse consistently battling it out at the top. The Big East did not receive nearly as much credit as it deserved during the mid-2000s, but it was not nearly the league that it had been a decade prior. If you look at Shea's and Robinson's point differentials, Shea fares far worse, indicating far more lopsided blowouts. Were those teams beaten so up so badly because they were playing decent competition, or would they have just been awful in any decade of conference?

Syracuse's point differential under Marrone last year was a lot better than what we saw in Schiano's first season. I can think of three possible conclusions. The difference is partially attributable to not having to play Miami and Virginia Tech, Marrone was a better coach in 2009 than Schiano was in 2001, or that Syracuse did not quite fall to the depths under Robinson that Rutgers had a decade earlier. This should be interesting to watch* going forward. After all, who would have ever thought that GRob would end up counting on his immediate successor to help (ever so slightly) revamp his reputation?

*By watch, I of course mean Rutgers fans will observe in incredulity as the Syracuse side continues their endless, one-sided barrage of insults and obsession while at the same time Doug Marrone keeps trying to follow Greg Schiano's rebuilding script to a tee.

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pretty funny

It was pretty funny to read how the SU fans were crowing so loudly about their lone Big East win last year, which was over RU. Actually, it is a form of flattery since they obviously hold RU is such high regard that a fluke win last year was considered such a milestone and signature win for their program. It will be fun to watch Pitt crush Syracuse this weekend.

by thevinman on Oct 13, 2010 6:34 PM EDT reply actions  

*By watch, I of course mean Rutgers fans will observe in incredulity as the Syracuse side continues their endless, one-sided barrage of insults and obsession while at the same time Doug Marrone keeps trying to follow Greg Schiano’s rebuilding script to a tee.

One-sided insults?

The problem with Rutgers fans is that they see truth as insulting…

For example: Greg Schiano’s rebuilding script… 10 years in North Jersey and he’s a .500 coach… Is that something to brag about?

Truth: He’s not that good of a coach and Penn State won’t be hiring him at the end year (as much as he still holds out hope).

funny to read how the SU fans were crowing so loudly about their lone Big East win last year, which was over RU. Actually, it is a form of flattery since they obviously hold RU is such high regard that a fluke win last year was considered such a milestone and signature win for their program.

Truth: SU fans didn’t like Rutgers or their miniscule rabble of fans prior to 2000… It’s niot flattery… We still don’t like you now that you have a whole wave of fair weather fans that mysteriously materialized after one decent season… and I know, I’ve been to a few games to the old stadium during the 90’s and seen the turnout on a Saturday. Schady has already hit his ceiling with the program and he’ll be looking to get out soon, just won’t be Penn State… They’ll be hiring the Golden-Boy, Al Golden… The REAL ressurector of perennial NJ Football doormats…

by kingtidge on Oct 15, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Consider a few things

Many members of our now solid D were not recruited to play those positions. Both our LBs Smith and Hogue were RBs. Our third LB is a true freshman. Our secondary is full or freshman and sophomores – guys HCDM brought in.

On O – our line is 2 JC transfers. We have a RF playing LT, one of Dougs guys. We also see his recruits contributing right away at WR and in the backup RB rolls. Ryan Nassib was the 3rd string QB when HCDM took over. Dantley, a former walk-on is gone and his back up Langree has transferred. HCDM coached up Ryan for an entire season while Greg Paulus was starting rather than throwing him to the wolves. Now we are seeing the fruits of his patients.

Both of our kickers are soph/freshmen.

Add to that, GRob never made these kids workout. Statistically the team Doug Marrone got was the smallest, slowest, weakest team SU has had since they started measuring that data. That was a huge difference as you could see in the 4th quarter of the USF game. GRobs teams were notorious for second half collapses.

Keep in mind that this is the coach who LOST Ray Rice. Turned away Knowshon Moreno. Failed with Colt Brennan. wouldnt go to recruits homes. etc

Comparing to Rutgers isnt fair because Rutgers was waaay down. SU at least has some history to draw from.

I think GRob got some decent players… but even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

by ryanwk628 on Oct 15, 2010 2:23 PM EDT reply actions  

What he said.

There were certainly a few recruiting gems in there for Greggers but he had no idea what to do with them once he had them. From a coaching standpoint, you couldn’t get more hapless than Greggy.

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by Sean Keeley on Oct 15, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

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